14 February 2009

Kona Ute: Week One

I really lucked out this week: After a warm weekend, and some heavy rain, most of the snow melted away and my first week on the Kona Ute was nearly snow-free. The roads were a little icy most mornings, and the Ute sat outside my office in a heavy rain most of the day Tuesday, and I rode home in snow yesterday. Nonetheless, it was a pretty good week for riding a new bicycle to work. I even rode it to my dentist appointment Monday afternoon.

Here are my first impressions:

The Ute is a comfortable bicycle and is going to make a great commuter. The fat smooth tires on big wheels make for nice ride. I used about 40 psi in each. The road shoulders and bike lane on my commute are piled with gravel and chunks of asphalt that have been pushed out of the giant potholes in the road. In some places the debris on the shoulder was so bad I was forced out into the lane. Of course, in those same places the asphalt in the lane is completely broken and some potholes are nearly a foot deep. So far I've survived it, and so has the Ute.

The swept-back handlebars are comfortable, and the upright position is nice in traffic. I rode to work in an extreme headwind one morning, and found myself wishing for dropped bars, but I think that the Ute bars will be great most of the time.

The brakes and shifters work just fine. They are rather "low-end" components, but seem perfectly adequate. Some reviewers have complained that the Ute's Hayes mechanical front disc brake doesn't have the power it should, but I have no complaints. I had to do quite a bit of tweaking to the front derailer when I got the Ute. It wasn't set up quite right and the chain was rubbing the derailer in most gears. I moved the derailer up a couple millimeters and adjusted the angle. Now it shifts perfectly through all gears on both rings. No complaints there.

The bell works quite well. Of course, some folks can't seem to hear it.

The Big Ute Bag works pretty well, and carries lots of stuff. Nothing's fallen out, and it hasn't fallen off. I can quickly drop my computer bag into it, fasten it up, and ride away. I'm keeping a few tools in one of the zippered pockets on the lid flap, and my bicycle lock in the other. I've been buckling the inside fasteners of the pannier, which means the lid flap isn't held down (see the photos in the previous post). I'd like it better if there were separate fasteners for the flap and the interior compartment so the bag could be held closed inside and the flap could also fastened down. Having the tools and lock in the flap seems to keep the flap from flapping.

The Big Ute Bag hangs from the Ute frame rack on three big hooks. There are two elastic bands that hold the bag down and keep it against the bike. It moves a little on giant potholes, huge chunks of asphalt, and rough railroad tracks, so I'd like to attach it to the bike more securely, I think. However, for the all-day rain, I pulled the bag off the Ute and brought it (the bag) into my office so it wouldn't fill with rain, which would be more difficult if the bag were secured to the frame. A quick-release system like the Ortlieb panniers have would be great.

Hanging all the load on one side of the rack isn't ideal, so I'm considering ordering a second Big Ute Bag for the other side. They're pretty expensive, so I'm waiting until I've used this one for a while first to be sure I like it. I've looked into trying to mount baskets on each side of the bike. I think I'd like having a 25 to 30" basket on each side, mounted pretty low, as long as they looked decent. Stainless wire would be best. I'd rather not do the milk crate thing. The Ute bag could still hang as it is designed, and it would sort of be inside the basket. I can't find any such baskets, however. Wald doesn't make any that large. Custom made stainless baskets could be had, but for a very steep price.

In the mean time, I've been hanging my Arc'teryx Transit bag on the right side of the Ute, with the Big Ute Bag on the left. For the last couple of years I've worn the Transit on my back with my computer inside it. My lunch, clothes, and tools have ridden in one or two panniers. Now I've simply tied a couple of loops of webbing to the left side of the pannier, and a couple of 'biners from our rock climbing days clip the bag to the webbing. A bungee holds the bag against the frame. It works well, but it's less convenient than I'd prefer because it takes a few minutes to get it all secured.



As I mentioned above, the roads here are a mess. The grit that comes off wet tires in the morning is terrible. When I got to work Monday morning, I tried to lower the kickstand, but there was so much sand and mud on the kickstand post, that it was difficult get it to fall into position. Even with the Cascadia fenders, with their extra long flap, the grit was coming off the front tire and packing into the kickstand hinge, as well as the bicycle bottom bracket. I solved that problem Monday night with the addition of an extra flap on the front fender. I've often added a longer flap to the fender on my commuter bike to keep my feet dry and to keep the chain cleaner. It works well. For the Ute, I cut a section from an old Zefal fender, and bolted it to the Cascadia flap with two little stainless steel bolts. This modification makes the fender swing a little more side to side, but it doesn't seem to cause any problems. It helps tremendously to keep things clean and dry.



I also added a little flap to the front of the kickstand to further keep grit out of the mechanism. It's a little kludgy, sort of like a milk crate pannier, but it's not very visible.



I was a little surprised that the Kona Ute will wobble or sway side-to-side a little with a big load on the back, but it really only does it when starting from a stop if I try to stand up and pedal hard. This is a common issue with touring bikes when heavily loaded in the rear. I'm not referring to high-speed wobble, but a low-speed oscillation. Like a tail-wagging-the-dog, sort of thing. My Soma would do it with two full panniers. We noticed a similar tendency for our tandem to waggle last summer when we had the panniers and trunk rack packed full on the rear rack. If I tried to stand up to crank up a hill, the tail end would seem to sway side-to-side. A bike like the Ute, which is designed to carry a heavy load, is more resistant to this side-to-side sway, but it's not completely immune. The rear is built sort of like an aluminum bridge truss, and it appears that it would be rather inflexible, but maybe up front there's some twisting under load. I'm just guessing - I'm no frame designer (although I can always dream). Maybe the front of the Ute should be built more like the front end of our Cannondale Tandem MT800. Those are some gigantic tubes!



It may be that the bicycle frame isn't flexing at all. Perhaps it's simply that it feels like it because each time you try to lean the bike to the right, you have to move a big load from left to right on the rear. Simple inertia. So maybe it would be better to get the load lower in the back. The higher the load, the more it has to move side-to-side as the bicycle moves.

I don't think the potential for a little sway is a huge issue. I've read that others have had some sway on Xtracycles and even the big and stout Surly Big Dummy. It doesn't really seem to affect the handling, and it's quite controllable. It works best to keep your butt on the saddle and spin smoothly, which is easier to do with with clipless pedals - something I'm trying to avoid on my everyday bicycle. When moving down the road at 10 to 15 mph, the Ute is really quite stable, even with my commuting load on the back. Regardless, it's probably unwise to go screaming downhill on a cargo bike with a full load.

I'm still convinced that the best way to haul really big loads on a bicycle is with a two-wheel trailer. We've hauled some monster loads in our old Burley Solo, including a big pile of pumpkins. I guess if I were going to use a bicycle to haul really big loads all the time, I'd use a trailer. Even loaded with 60 pounds of pumpkins, the Burley trailer has no discernible effect on the handling of the bicycle, although some increased stopping distance does result.

In conclusion, while I'm still trying to figure out the best way to carry my stuff (and I'm leaning heavily towards a second Big Ute Bag), I think the Ute is going to make a really nice everyday bicycle. That's just what I wanted.

16 comments:

  1. That stock pannier doesn't seem to be designed all that well. Ain't pretty either. Maybe some hard panniers like the make for motorcycles might offer some ideas.

    I wonder about the vibration to your laptop in any bike mounted carrier. Seems it would be more protected in a backpack on your back.

    And your seat post mounted tail light - you'd block it if you ever load up on top of the wooden platform. Since that platform is wooden, seems a very simple solution to mount the tail light on its underside.

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  2. Heem,

    The stock pannier is a very simple design, but I think its intended to be a basic flexible basket. It is bright, too. So far, I have to say it works pretty well. I suppose the uglier it is, the less likey it is to be stolen?

    I've thought quite a bit about hard panniers, and I've looked at the motorcycle and scooter panniers and trunk boxes. They're generally quite heavy - and expensive. But a nice lockable box would be great. Maybe something like that mounted on the rear deck.

    I always try to keep in mind that usually simpler is better, but I spend a lot of time sitting around engineering overly complex solutions to simple problems. A Rube Goldberg sort of thing. In that sense, I like the Big Ute Bag. It appeals to my sense that simplicity is best. I also like the idea of big, open baskets, but I can't find any the right size.

    I've worried a little about how well my computer will hold up to bicycle commuting. I've mostly carried it on my back, thinking it would be less subject to vibration, but I've heard from many other commuters who've carried laptops in panniers for years with no problems.

    I recognize that the seatpost-mounted light would be blocked by something tall on the deck. I keep it low on the post so the tail of my jacket won't hang down and cover it. The light is easily moved up higher, and can be moved to the back of the bike. Really, it's unlikely that I'll carry anything tall on the rear deck, especially after dark, but before the arrival of next fall, however, I am planning to install a tire-driven generator, or possibly a hub generator, and a front and rear taillight. That rear light will mount very nicely right underneath the rear deck as you've described.

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  3. Lockable boxes?

    Get a cheap plastic tool box, cut four slots in the base. The position of the slots are akin to the position of the four wheels of a car, i.e. two slots parallel to one another and then another two slots. Like this:

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    Place the slots as far out as you can for stability.

    Pass a cargo strap through the slot, wrap it around the deck and then back in through the parallel slot. The hitch should be on the inside. Like this:

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    Tighten the straps and lock the box with a padlock. Sure, you can bust it off with some pliers, or cut the straps and gank the whole assembly, but it's a great deterrent for opportunistic thieves. Until you open the box, you can't loosen the straps.

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  4. Alexander,

    Interesting idea, with the strapped down tool box. One might also simply bolt such a box to the deck to avoid all that cutting and strapping business. The holes where the deck mounts to the frame would be perfect for that. However, even though some have labeled the Ute Bag, "ugly," and even though the Ute is clearly intended to be a utilitarian machine, I'm not sure I'm quite prepared for the aesthetics of having a cheap plastic toolbox mounted to the deck. On the other hand, I have a great little black Delta toolbox that's 30" long, 8.5" wide, and about 4.5" tall that I have considered bolting to the deck, maybe with some spacers to raise it an inch or so off the deck so that it wouldn't interfere with the pannier hooks. Unfortunately, the Delta box lacks any holes to pass a lock through. The system is working as is for now, but I'll keep thinking about it.

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  5. Anonymous02 May, 2009

    Dang. I have a 2008 Ute and love it, but the bags just aren't big enough for me. I've been waiting for the '09 bags and checked again tonight and found them to be $110 each. So here in WA state with tax that would be $240. Ouch. Did the '09 really only come with 1? -David.

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  6. The 2009 Ute comes with just one bag. I bought the second one (yes, $$$ouch) to better balance the bike, although as you can see in the photos here, my other messenger bag was a workable solution, just a little more complicated to implement. I wish the Ute bags had a little more structure - I think it would make them easier to load. I'm thinking about how to build some sort of wide-loader style shelf that the bottom of the bag could sit on to make it easier to load. I'd love a pair of big baskets about the size of the big bag.

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  7. Just bought a used Ute that came without the bag, but thanks to your link to Yuba on your first post, they have a bag that seems to fit on all longtail bikes; thanks for the link.

    Other options I am looking into are...
    a) http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?457884-New-Hard-Sided-Panniers
    b) http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/Buckets

    Of course in any DIY case/pannier retrofit it's finding the 19mm hooks to gove over the frame that will be the biggest challenge.

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  8. Thanks for your comment. My Ute has nearly 2,000 miles on it now, and I'm generally quite happy with it. Sure, there are some details I complain about, but overall it's proven to be a very functional year-round commuting bike.

    I eventually purchased a second Big Ute Bag, and I use both every day. I've had some trouble with the buckles on the Ute bags, so I've purchased new buckles and I'm working on a plan to make some modifications to the buckle system on the Ute bags.

    I have not been keeping up with the Ute blog very well, but when I (eventually) get around to the bag modifications, I'll post what I've done.

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  9. I like the look of that Yuba bag. I can't tell exactly how it attaches at the bottom. It would be great to hear if anyone is using it on a Ute.

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  10. Anonymous22 May, 2010

    Hi, I purchased a 2010 Ute a few days ago. What a superb ride! I thought it would be slower than the GT Nomad I have ridden for the past 10 years but thats not the case. I find the brakes excellent and gear ratios good, and it handles surprisingly well.
    I have two major issues with it that I am hoping you could advise me on. Firstly, the kickstand when retracted interferes with the chain in any gear. My place of purchase suggested I place some epoxy resin in the mechanism where the stand closes - so that the stand doesnt raise so high - maybe just a few mm would fix it. Still not that great for a brand new product! The stand appears to be properly seated on the frame, just seems like a bad design to me. They should put a small kink in the legs of it to give the chain more room.
    Secondly, the centre buckle on the ute bag appears broken, the catch is split and sometimes the buckle pops out with small pressure applied. Is the centre buckle on your(s) also split?

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  11. My Ute just crossed 2,000 miles this spring, and it's still going strong. I'm very happy with it it overall, although I continue to wish the bags were a little more sophisticated or that there was a good set of long aluminum baskets to replace them. Nonetheless, it's a very functional everyday commuting machine.

    Regarding the kickstand: I would suggest that you may have a defective kickstand or frame, or that perhaps somehow the kickstand is not installed correctly. On my Ute, the chain does not touch the kickstand in any gear, although it is only about half an inch from it. I'm sure that when crossing rough surfaces the chain bounces and touches the kickstand. Also, at times when I'm riding in some gears, I think I can hear it brush the kickstand at certain points in my pedal stroke. I worried about this a little at first, but have found that it is not a problem. On yours, however, if the chain is actually hitting all the time, I would definitely contact Kona. There is likely a defect in the kickstand or the frame where the kickstand mounts. I'm sure Kona will take care of it as a warranty issue if necessary.

    Also, once you get that kickstand sorted out, you might note on one of my other Ute posts here, I added a rubber flap to cover the hinge on the kickstand to keep the dirt out. It works really well.

    Regarding the buckles: The buckles Kona has used on the bag are terrible. I found that my bag would burst open when I hit bumps because the buckles couldn't handle the load. One of my buckles was also split, as you've described. I actually had Kona send me a new set of buckles, but they were the same poor quality buckles so I didn't use them. I would recommend contacting Seattle Fabrics and ordering some good buckles from them. I ordered the Quick Attach Stealth Female buckle at $1.10 each and replaced the original Ute buckles. You'll have to cut off the original female end of the buckle. Be careful not to cut the webbing, just the cut the buckle! The Quick Attach female end can be worked over the webbing loop on the bag. These buckles are vastly superior to the original buckles on the Ute. I had plans to make modifications to the strapping system on the bag, and even ordered the thread and webbing, but haven't gotten around to doing it.

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  12. Anonymous22 May, 2010

    Hey, thanks for your advice. I have had a careful inspection of the frame and have noticed that the long horizontal tubing under the read wooden deck is bowed on one side, I originally thought the deck was bowed but that is true. It appears the frame is not properly aligned, this is probaly the cause for the kickstand issue. This must under warranty? Hopefully I can sort it soon. Thanks again.

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  13. Anonymous24 May, 2010

    My 2010 Ute has the same kickstand-rubbing-on-chain problem as "anonymous" above. I just picked it up, and have ridden it about 1 km only... very frustrating. The chain rubs on the stand in almost every gear. It MUST be a design problem... it seems installed perfectly (hard to install it any other way) and everything is tight. Have emailed Kona tech support... will see what they say (if they reply... in the past they have not). Sigh.

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  14. Anonymous27 May, 2010

    Kona has been quick to reply with my ute, offering to replace the buckles and are currently in the process of sorting out the chain rub, they are suggesting that there may be too many links in the chain (should be 136). Regarding the frame bend I have to take it in to my dealer. Will keep you(s) posted.

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  15. Anonymous31 May, 2010

    I just purchased a 2009 ute assembled (floor model). On my handle bars where i change gears there is a view of what gear I am in however i can not see that view while riding - my husband thinks they assembled it wrong on the handle bar. Any comment? Also, i need a rear view mirror but dont want to puncture my cork which seems to be the only way to install one according to the bike shop. Any ideas ?

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  16. Just my thoughts here, of course:

    Regarding the view of the gear indicators, I don't think anything could have been assembled wrong. There's really nothing that gets done to those shifters that could be done wrong. The shifters used on the Ute are really designed for flat bars or riser bars as are found on most mountain-style bikes. I've noted that on my Ute's shifters, the gear indicator window is rotated a little too far forward for optimal viewing while riding the bike, but I can see them. As with any shifters with indicators, the placement of the window relative to the thumb and finger triggers is fixed. If you want to see the window better, you (or the shop) can loosen the shifters and rotate them so the windows are a little more visible. The same could be accomplished by rotating your bars. This will of course also change the placement of the thumb and finger triggers. I'd suggest that it's more important the the bars are at the correct angle and the trigger shifters are comfortably positioned. I'm happy enough with mine. The position of the triggers is good, and I can see the gear indicator window well enough. The Ute, I think, is the only one of my bicycles that has those indicator windows, so I don't really find myself using them much. Also, I keep thinking I'm going to try some different bars on the Ute someday. The swept back bars are OK, but I don't find the hand position as comfortable as either my road bike or my mountain bike. Figure that out.

    Regarding a mirror: I highly recommend the Take-a-Look Cyclists Mirror that attaches to your eyeglasses or sunglasses. I've been using one for several years, and I cannot imagine riding without it. They are very well made (by hand in Colorado, USA) and scratch resistant. Much nicer than the various plastic versions that you might find. I've seen them for sale at REI and at one of my local bike shops, so I don't think they're hard to find.

    Good luck with the Ute, and thanks for reading my blog.

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